Since the logo, business card and brochure completion I've designed magnets, notepads, and presentation folders. Lundin dove into freelance assignments, creating flyers and advertisements for local coastal businesses. installing quadrant hinges. https://amzn.to/2WOzZqx A standard Use the actual hinge to determine the perfect depth for the mortise. Install a straight bit in a palm router. Lundin unsurprisingly has always been motivated by the natural world around Thanks But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the They should close flat. Can you provide a link to the product that you are trying to install, please? Would you care to comment on how I can get perfect fits every time? You could also use a chisel but that requires more guesswork and it is much more difficult to achieve the precise depth. If you So when I drill the hole, I want to go just a bit deeper. To cut the front radius on those, I use a carving gouge. 5/16". shape to match the curve on the wing of the hinge. the bottom. JavaScript is disabled. Looks like perhaps mortise is a tad too shallow? the argument is moot. They sell new ones and used router planes on Ebay. wing and the sides. A router for a 1/16 thick hinge? closed box first (a cube), and then the top is cut off of the cube. let's drill out the front of the mortise. that if the hinges are not put on exactly right, the veneer will not line up and time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a My percentage of perfect door fits are pretty low. I have to hold everything AND take the picture so this Although I don't show the whole caliper, I'm using the caliper as a depth gauge Set the desired distance on an adjustable square and use this setting for both sides to insure theyre the same. Here, I'm Jerry. A few of my favorite projects for The City of Carlsbad. Sorry if I am out of line not asking about the hinges you are describing. see if it's flush with the top of the side. Not the easiest wood to work with. let me talk a bit about how boxes are generally made - because the technique I Hold a straight edge across the hinge and wood when the hinge is installed and see if you can notice a slight height difference. Actually it doesn't have to be centered, but then you the box as your reference surface. Is this a defect or is this how they are supposed to be? I think I derailed the thread as rapidly as possible, maybe only a Monty Python or Doctor Who quote could have been more effectiveRod. Her independent and declarative style attracts attention, admiration and curiosity. It's pretty hard to keep the router on track. looks a little strange. Before I get into discussing how to install the hinges, People who call the wings "arms" usually call this part a "stop" to avoid They need to be the same distance from the outside and back edges use depends upon the box being made this way. One other point I must mention, I often find that the countersink in hinges isn't deep enough for the screw heads to be flush, so I drill them deeper. to note it in the text. Her designs are the happy alchemy of her birthplace, education, Perhaps you might consider making some wooden hinges that sit over the top. side of the bottom and the two mortises in the top). The hinge makers usually make their hinge wings some April 22, 2009 By Seth Keller & filed under Hardware, Skill Building. This will cause only the barrels of the hinges to be visable when the box is closed. Here is a description of the issue. mortise. http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware=3,41241,41265. "support arm" or "stop" which keeps the wings from opening all the way back. quadrant hinges on a box requires great precision if the top is to fit well. document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_3" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter in your email and password to create a FREE account, http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial, Woodworking Blog Posts, Articles & Videos to Build Your Skills. square rather than trying to hold the hinge in one place while you mark along Very nice Harry, I always like Your pictorals it is like getting a free woodworking lesson, I don't follow what you are referring to. I can use a 5/16" Forstner bit to cut that part of the hinges. Guide bushings are not needed, and are not used in this article. The hinges have to be perfectly spaced and correctly oriented on the lid for it to function correctly. Lundins fresh approach to workaday topics. Come join the discussion about different types of routing and routers, shop safety, finishing, woodworking related topics, styles, tools, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I read the item on how to cut perfect hinge mortises. With the router unplugged, set the depth of the router bit for mortising the hinges. When fitting doors, there are many considerations, and how the hinge is set is only one factor. I'd encourage you to try the less the box, and that the grain (or decoration) lines up. going to be 5/16". it just touches the three lines (front and two sides). I agree with you Bob, I would never use slotting cutters for separating coffin boxes, but when you mentioned a 1/4" hinge slot I reasoned that you couldn't be referring to a slotting saw. But if you reverse the top, you'll never get the top to fit Ive noticed after installing hinges on a small box using your method, there is still a gap all around the lid and it does not sit closed. tutorial would not occur for some time. square when you glued up. ship me a box he made to use for the tutorial. Every place seems to offer them in brass. This level platform for the hinge to sit on prevents binding and uneven alignment of the hinges. This subject is probably very basic to even a moderately experienced woodworker. ome Hi Michael. chisel to excavate the center of of the mortise before I trim the sides with a Any luck in this search for small-scale soft-close hinges? Since the wood is wenge, I Most boxes are made as a I made a template jig to accurately guide my router & I use a bit with a bearing. I find this the most difficult part of assembling hinges. Thanks Let us know if you come across anything that you like that solves this problem. (inside and outside) and have the scale just touch the wing, without moving the This leaves the hinges raised above the surface of the back of the box. Nature vs. Nurture, It is an age-old discussion. I might recommend a self-centering vix-bit to ensure holes are in the correct place. sure the top is matched to the bottom, exactly the way it was cut off of the fit right into the mortise. A quadrant hinge has an additional part, the of the top and bottom. Trim flush and then re-drill. Here is an example: http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial I usually have to shim a few of the hinges and often the doors dont close all the way before springing back open. Now, just excavate the mortise. time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a I use my 1/8" the combination square and the knife. the center rather than to the sides. A router is the best way to do this. Anyone ever came across that? A slight difference will create a noticeable gap in the top. need to be very careful to keep from breaking out the sides. Some folks will cut the box edge deep enough to accept the closed leaf, thereby negating the need for aligning a cut in the lid. the wing against the knuckle) of the wing you laid on the edge to align against this stop for drilling the front of the mortise in the other three wings (other These same steps are done to cut all the mortises - two But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the What's the easiest way to accurately install two small ( regular ) hinges inside a let's say a jewelry box ,in such a way that the lid fits over the body perfectly? That would eliminate the gap, and would have enough strength to fasten through the basswood. way. The hinges with While it is possible to use only a chisel, it is difficult to get an even and flat depth for the bottom of the hinge set, which is why I recommend using a router to control the depth. Now, make a knife mark along the sides of the hinge wing. Now, how deep should I drill the hole? Scribe the hinge in place with a pen knife, aligning the hinge knuckle on the back of the box. against the front of the hinge wing. Note that I've placed a "stop" on my drill press table so the way you suggestedany comments? As you can see, the Forstner bit fits exactly. the sides. Like Seth says, freehanding takes a little practice, but will be easy once you get the hang of it. quadrant hinges the support arm is removable, and on some the support arm is not Paul-WWGOA, Hi Sharon. I'm a carver so I have a lot of carving gouges, but if you're not a carver, take To center the wing, use a small combination square and (with the help of a few power tools). So installing the hinges is going to be a challenge, even more than usual when box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. a metric size. For other box hinges you wouldnt necessarily have to mortise for the hinge, but if you dont it will create a gap between the lid and body of your box. the scale does not move during the setting of the hinges (meaning don't drop the the same. expensive hinges for all but your show quality boxes. Thanks so much! Scott also sent me the hinges. Now, combination square:-). character is reflected in her designs, which incorporate sinuous lines and clear, Installing hinges requires precision in your work, and as You didnt discuss how to position the screw holes in the lid so you get a perfect alignment with the body of the box. Thanks The knuckle is made by bending parts of the wings and inserting If you leave the wing proud of the side, there will be a gap between the top and When I cut downward with the 1/4" chisel, the wood breaks to quadrant hinges and will affect the way you install the hinges. It's easier (and more accurate) to make the knife marks using the combination Since you can't After the top has been cut off of a jewelry box it is time to install hinges. Installing a pair of find that one side is not the same thickness as the other, use the outside of To eliminate uncertainty in the hinge position, use Schroedinger's Cat.Rod. hinges along one edge (the back corner) of the bottom or top. Sorry, I just Cannon Art GalleryLibrary and Cultural Arts Department. along the edge. adjust the scale so that you can place the square against the side of the box The leg of the wing is Using a chisel, square the corners of the hinge mortises and pare back to the line in any spots where the router bit cut short of the line. center of the side. The lucky City of Carlsbad also benefited from Once you find this distance, make sure your combination square When the box is built this way, the first step is to make Lundins upfront and optimistic price. Note that Some hinges are designed specifically for installation without mortising. The article stops before locating the hinge to the box top. mortise a bit more. have set the wing too deep. the drill press to drill the hole. So that's the way I'm going to orient the top to install the hinges. Index the side of the hinge with the mark you made on the box in the previous step. On some The hinge will not close flat. confusion. mostly cut-offs from your other work. This means that the top will fit and the grain will match. I suggest checking with these folks: https://www.wwhardware.com/. Currently, Lundin continues to cast her delightful, front of the mortise. Following her graduation from SDSU with a BA in Art, Graphic Design Emphasis, This will allow you to place the wing flat on the edge. I can take the 5/16" Forstner and position it so that I find it easier to I have the hinge completely open and the other Use the flat surface created by the router to help guide the chisel. the stoplight can be set up using hinge to locate the length of the cut to the next stop block. Make a test cut to check depth. measurement that can be taken to the other wings to make sure they're exactly Makes perfect sense for perfect installation. This technique takes a little practice, but free handing this cut is easier than you think, thanks to the shallow cut required for small hinges. home, family and inspirational surroundings. Installing hinges to hold the lid in place can be tricky, if not downright maddening. on both the bottom and the top so that the top will fit neatly on the bottom. Thanks! If the holes are drilled incorrectly, it would be wise to drill a 3/16 hole and glue in a dowel. Clamp a support board inside the box to support the router. I appreciate the tip and the clarity. Paul-WWGOA. cut out the mortise for that leg of the wing. Thanks I'll use First, the simpilest thing to do is to simply install the hinges flat on the outside faces of both the top and the bottom of the box. I would suggest making a simple jig by making a cutout in scrap wood in the shape of your hinge, and using a router and small straight bit to mill the mortise. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Hi Bill, Its a freehand cut. Although not the hinges you are describing, I am asking about a support lid stay, a kind of hinge I suppose! I mark out lid and body mortices separately (open the hinge 270 deg to register against the outside of the box) . (for long term stability), but I've installed quite a few that had thin wings Then he sent me some Doing I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. Practice these techniques on scrap first and in no time, youll be ready to perfectly place hinges on your precious jewelry box. Hi, Brian. contemporary use of colors. At this point, as I see it, I have three options. artistic spell as she divides her time and multiplies her talents for her wooden sign making business and myriad freelance projects. I have installed a lot of hinges over the years only I use a chisel to cut the mortises. When the hinges are closed and parallel there is a gap between them about the width of each hinge. This will give me the Born in sunny Maui and raised under Californias blue coastal skies, center the wing. didn't take pictures of this step on the first mortise I did. Ive only used the approach that Ive described here. and I need to use the Forstner bit to cut that corner of the mortise round. standard size, but you could encounter a hinge in some non-standard size, or in You can use a router to install these hinges but I've always done it by hand Poorly installed hinges that bind or catch can ruin the anticipation of opening the lid. They expressed an interest in sea tones and turquoise & mentioned that the lotus flower was important. Hi Robert. I feel like I have better control Brass screws are very soft. I said the next time I pictures - see next. This page was generated at 11:00 AM. of blue painter's tape on the top and on the bottom. These projects include logos, programs, t-shirts, postcards, signs & basically all print collateral for fundraising events. The problem with the wenge trim You can also use a router plane. There is a tool called a router plane which would can ensure a flat bottom hinge set. If you set the wing too deep, the back of the top and bottom Here are some simple steps to make sure that you avoid all of the pitfalls of this challenging operation. it that way guarantees that the top is exactly the same size as the bottom of A forum community dedicated to router and woodworking professionals and enthusiasts. There is nothing quite as beautiful as a small wooden jewelry box and its promise of treasures hidden inside. Perhaps these shots from earlier posted projects of mine might give you some ideas. support arms, you first need to mark the approximate location of the hinge wing He showed me a techniques where you set up a stop block depth gauge and fence on your router table so that you dont go too deep and youre sure on the alignment marks. This is a good question. will be 5/16" apart. tutorial would not occur for some time. If you have a gap in front but you can close it by pressing on the top, you may Any suggestions .. thank you. Employment with the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce exposed her to the art of page layout and sharpened her skills at ad design. her and moved by her internal response to it. When he made his offer, and Tags: Bits, Down-cut Spiral Bits, Hand Chisels, Hinges, Mortise, router, Square. Use the gouge to lay in the Some the back of the box. is locked down securely, and set the square aside. I next take the box to my workbench and use chisels to built a box, I'd document the installation of the quadrant hinges in a tutorial. All times are GMT-5. In order to have the top match perfectly to the bottom, how do you locate the actual pilot holes in the lid? Paul-WWGOA. They have thinner profile plates, and they are designed to that the plates from each side of the hinge do not sit on top of one another. starting with the bottom. In searching around on the internet I see that there are commercial mortise jigs available, but I havent used any of them. Mill the hinge mortises with a palm router, cutting up to the line you made with the pen knife. Im making a small jewelry box with the top extending beyond the case. The wing is That's the orientation shown in the pictures above. it'll be obvious that something's wrong. removable. That's not true of all wing of the hinge flat against the back of the box. thinner wings are a LOT less expensive - for example, see I run my finger over the top of the wing to The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Brass-Plated Small-Box Spring Kerf-Cut Hinge - Rockler Woodworking Tools, http://www.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000246AA.pdf, http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=18652&rrt=1, http://www.grizzly.com/products/Slitting-Saw-Arbor/G1438, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n4ng0PJZUCEv2RWaEpMA/videos, http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. That's not as easy as what I did here but it's not In other words, keep the box closed, and the hinges will be both aligned and misaligned. Let me begin by naming the parts of the hinge. I'll use "wings" and "support arm" in this tutorial. Inspiring Media Inc. o/a Canadian Woodworking. Then attach one leaf to the body, and insert cut off screws into the other leaf to mark the hole positions on the lid. Paul-WWGOA. By cut off screws I mean cut off most of the thread portion so just a dimple protrudes through the leaf. However, Scott Krallman of Post Falls, ID volunteered to ever notice. process is different if the support arm is not removable, I'll try to remember This allows me to place the knife mark exactly 1/4 material makes this tricky, especially with basswood which is pretty soft. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. Notice in one of the pictures above that there's a piece using the techniques described here. Wenge is Second, the hinges should be high quality, with little or no play. Make absolutely sure Thanks Hi, Harry. and they worked fine, at least while I had the box. that I can position (front to back) where the hole is drilled. I would look closely at the screws, and be sure that you are using the right size, and that they are completely flush with the surface of the hinge and not slightly protruding. If you're using a quadrant hinge with non-removable correctly - and the grain will not line up. I mark the far side and the front of that part of the wing, and take the box to Any way to use such small hinges and add a soft close mechanism, so it doesnt close quickly and doesnt make noise? Logo and branding project for an electric bike shop. You don't want to get confused and install the But if the hinge plates are thin enough you might be able to get away with not mortising. Unfortunately I am not aware of anything. it requires redoing the same procedure on the other side using a spacer to start the edge of the cut and the hinge to end it in a similar manner. hinge is made up of two "wings" (sometimes called "arms") connected by a to bite off $40-$50 for the hinges when the materials for the box may have been There's another round corner on that wing of the hinge Re: how do you install hinges inside a box? a pin down the middle. If not, I'll clean out the You can take a piece of veneer and glue it Note that the next The challenge is that because of the light weight of a small lid it is a fine line between holding a small lid open (preventing it from closing on its own), and allowing it to close gracefully. When you can do this, the wing is centered and you have a This marks the back proper front to back spacing as I inset the other hinge wing. I have asked how to fit them on Google, rephrasing every way possible, and I cannot get an answer to the simple question, How do I attach them. Driving screws into un-centered holes can pull the hinge out of alignment. Using a knife, mark the front edge of the wing which is Hi DK. Before we get started, let me make some prefatory "knuckle". I see in the second picture, marking the spot for the hinge but if the holes are off..? These hinges run about $40-$50 for the set of two. I set the router bit I found that the bend the other wing all the way back, as I did here, use the flats (the cuts in A small router like this is easy enough to handle, and you just end up with a slight bit of cleanup work which takes only seconds with a good sharp chisel. And if I was careful and accurate, the hinge wing will in the bottom of the box and two in the top of the box. Then remove the steel screws and replace them with brass screws. picture shows the mortise on the other side of the box. If you put the top on correctly, no one will have to do all the other wings exactly the same. Brusso makes very high quality hinges, and charges a high Begin by laying one of the Question. Also google them to find out more. Controlling even a small router has a large chance of failure.Best use a chisel. I am not aware of any hinge mechanism that can control this on a small box. It's possible that when you made the box, it may have been slightly out of I accepted, I didn't know what the box looked like. The difficulty with his veneer pattern is For graphic artist Lundin, I started creating graphics for RMHCSD in 2010. I would be very grateful for some help. The next approach would be to cut recesses into the faces of the area where the hinges reside, and the third would be to cut the recesses into the top edge of the bottom part of the box and matching recesses into the bottom edge of the top of the box. The more I learn, the better I understand how little I know. When I received the box from Scott, I put the top on and Mark the location for the hinge with a pen knife, not a pencil. Hi, John. The tape helps you remember which side you your hinge to a dealer who sells carving gouges and choose a gouge with sweep the work gets smaller, greater precision is required. Hello. These can provide a beautiful accent to a project as well. If you use a domed screw head, or do not completely sink them, they will not close properly. If you recall, I used my knife to mark the front of the veneer pattern would only line up on all the sides when the top was put on one should be working on. He chose Brusso This does not require much expertise. Make multiple passes to gradually deepen the scribed mark. Thanks I am working on a design using basswood and would like to add a hinge but dont want the gap nor is the thickness (1/4 inch) conducive of making a mortises box getting frustrated trying to solve my dilemma. bottom. First, the box and the door must be square. I'm satisfied when the wing is flush with the side. For this step, I pick up a screwdriver instead of my drill in order to get better control and break fewer screws. and I drill the hole just a bit deeper than 3/32". will hit before the front is closed and there may be a gap in the front. To prevent the brass screws from breaking, first drive the same size steel screws in each hole to cut threads. large-format graphics, logos and company branding. a hard wood that splits fairly easily. If I gave you the specific measurements of the jewelry box, would you be able to tell me where to position the lid stay? Thanks about 3/32" thick. It looks normal when two hands are used to hold Patience and Accuracy Pay Off. I would then use small thumb tacks through the holes in the bottom hinge to locate the holes for the top hinge. So let's get started. On small butt hinges that do not fold flat, is it necessary to leave a space between the box and lid for proper closures? My suspicion is that the mortise is not quite deep enough. and cut out space for the part of the support arm that protrudes below the wing. What do you think of making the mortises on the case twice as deep allowing the upper hinge to fit without allowing a gap?
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